Folks disagree on brands. Im a Kirk guy, a Shatner Kirk guy. Not too long after they sold a pistol to the public and United States military thats not even DROP SAFE?!? I sold that pistol when I got it back. Hes like the arrogant star QB on your favorite football teamyeah, you would never want to spend a weekend with him at the lake cabin, but your franchise would be little to nothing without him. In the case of the 320, lightning is striking the same place an awful lot. Again, these are examples the plaintiff in this case is using to support his claim that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. Ironic that the trendsetters of yesteryear are trying to tear down the innovator of today because its Not perfected yet! and the Design isnt worked out!. Seems kind of like a Sig apologist article. Infact you have to pay shipping cost to get that fixed even though its their screw up. 00:03. That could happen easily. That a pistol will be carried in a way it shouldnt (say, in a gym bag or a purse). Im more of a DS9 guy. Back in 2017, SIG instituted a voluntary upgrade program to replace the original production triggers with new enhanced triggers designed to fix the issue that we and others observed when the pistols were dropped onto hard surfaces. The American manufacturer of the new pistols belonging to Canadas special forces claims the soldier wounded in an accidental discharge last fall was using the wrong holster for the weapon. To me it was unreal, $600 to ask a question about WOK and a picture. I dont own a P320. https://millsentertainment.smugmug.com/William-Shatner-The-Wrath-of-Khan Plastic crap! SIG Sauer, a German weapons maker with its U.S. headquarters in Newington, N.H., issued a statement Friday in response to a CBC News report earlier this week that revealed the Nov. 5, 2020, incident and the fact the weapon, the SIG P320, had been withdrawn from service while the military conducts an investigation. I agree. The Nightline segment includes an interview with Major Peter Villani, an expert (paid) witness for Hilton. Anyway there was one good thing to come from those movies, The USS Vengeance. I would rather play handball with the Devil himself because if you deal with the Devil he will tell you that you agreed to lose your soul for a big box full of millions in cash. There were a lot of changes. Quite frankly, a sizable number of the LEOs that go there, would benefit from a Gun Safety 101 class. The P320 should be scrapped and SIG Sauer USA should redesign a new pistol around the striker firing mechanism instead of just retrofitting a hammer fired pistol (P250). Happy with my old S&W revolvers, 3rd Gen S&W pistols,1911s and a slew of P226s. Carrying a handgun in a purse, particularly one that isnt designed specifically to carry a firearm, is problematic at best. That is exactly why all civilized countries have Government Agencies that monitor companies that have a callus disregard for human life and are only interested in the quick buck. So the tally goes against the surrounding area, not against the gun free zone. On February 19, 2021, Military.com reported: A former U.S. Marine and federal agent has filed a $10 million lawsuit against Sig Sauer Inc. alleging that his holstered Sig P320 a pistol that the Army's new sidearm is based on accidentally discharged, firing a 9mm bullet into his right leg. No the devil went down to Georgia to learn how to play a fiddle. Theyre cheering for a noose around their own precious Glocks throat. If the latter were to occur, the drop safety would prevent discharge because it would not be pushed up by anything. It has been flawless so far. ! only reveals ones immature emotional attachment to an inanimate object, which reveals a pretty childish worldview. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Its the expert who gets caught up in the routine and stops paying attention. Without a loser pays tort system, such abuse will go on and on. Where is this lightning striking twice? Thinking its okay to wrap a loaded gun in a towel and toss it into a gym bag is what we get when departments refuse to hire candidates who score too high on IQ tests. Then either the gun somehow managed to magically clear both the broken tab and foreign body to continue to operate. . The thing is, youd probably need to generate many Gs of force in both directions simultaneously. Then Weve got to go 9mm Nato. And hasnt been nothing but looking for the holy grail since. I can say we are aware of the statement released by SIG SAUER, said Maj. Amber Bineau. Once investigated a shot fired into a roll top desk. Sound familiar? That is the point of most of the video at the end of the article. And those are exactly the kinds of plaintiffs who happen to make up the vast majority of the lawsuits filed against SIG. Especially since they farm it out to the lowest bidder. So even if, as the ambulance chaser claims, the striker leg could vibrate off of the sear face, it could not discharge unless the drop safety was also disengaged because the drop safety prevents movement of the striker sufficient to make the firing pin protrude from the breech face. If the gangster greed monger criminal Capitalvanians in the gun industry had their products under the jurisdiction of the consumer safety administration all the newer striker fired guns would never have been allowed on the market unless they had manual safeties and a safe take down system. Then after just three years without telling anyone they stopped all production including extra parts. Ron, The settlement requires the gunmaker to reimburse owners of . I own Serpa holsters in multiple configurations (1911, Beretta 96, H&K, Springfield, etc) for most of the time theyve been around and I NEVER had an ND. Note that Harrisons comment about these claims possibly being the result of legal momentum were edited out of the longer Nightline version of the report. Funny how that works. Right up front, the use of an ill-fitting/improper-for-the-gun holster instantly negates any idea of an unintended discharge being the fault of the design. Remember the highly trained FBI officer whose gun went off in a nightclub? It offers the quality and reliability of Sig Sauer, with a tried and true striker system and ingenious features that make it a novel gun. I cant stand Glocks but SIG P320s are junk. Bravo. But as Officer Hilton says, There is no way anything could have gotten into my purseinto the trigger guard and pulled that trigger., This ABC report includes an interview with Joshua Harrison, a firearms expert hired by the network to examine the P320s design and give his opinion of its safety. How many times does a pistol have to malfunction before you blame it? ! while being accompanied by some form of obvious stupidity like putting an unholstered gun in a gym bag with other stuff. Charlton, headquartered in Victoria, B.C., for comment on its original story, but neither responded. Ill go so far as to say the first batch of Sig P320s did nothing wrong. He had to be reprimanded by the range officer twice for unsafe handling of his pistol. Sig Sauer P320 (Christine Peterson/TNS) February 22, 2021 Ryan Morgan Gunmaker Sig Sauer is facing a new lawsuit from a U.S. federal agent who claims his holstered P320 pistol discharged without him pulling the trigger and struck him in his upper right hip. Too expensive to use their customers as beta testers. A few Warbirds decloaking would make me very nervous if it wasnt sci-fi fantasy. Grow up, you aint all that! SIG says ABC had intended to include some of those other claims in their reports, but after SIG informed the network of the additional information that was uncovered, those cases werent included in either of the segments. 1.A rush to market, and as usual the blind greed of the gun companies who no longer test pistols before marketing them think it is cheaper (so the idiots think) to let the public test them. No, it doesnt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsu6WsSQ2_g. CBC News reached out to Sig Sauer and its Canadian distributor, M.D. The guide rod is cheap and breaks, it has rotten front sights! converted to the Glock denomination, but are now screaming that the P320 is Too new, not worked out! Aint been nothing but problems since the military dropped the 1911, what was it 85 year of trusted service? Sounds like most of these cases were off-body carry. Ive seen similar situations at our Municipal range. Police officers (maybe) do an annual qualification and thats it. With Biden spending outrageous amounts of money, whats 100 million here or there? The suit mirrors lawsuits filed across the country involving the semi-automatic gun known as the P320. The real tell is that of all the cases, most are cops of some kind. Sig fanboys are almost as bad as Glock fanboys. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dea-agent-lee-paige-still-wont-go-away/. SIG doesnt so you get killed by a punk with a Hi Point. Finger on the trigger and muzzle discipline are sometimes unheralded. It seems safe to assume that while SIG is coming up fast on the outside, GLOCK is still most likely the reigning champ in terms of the firearms most often carried by law enforcement and other government agencies. They mandate more discharges, with more property damage, more injuries, and more deaths. Manual safeties on pistols, hammer and striker fired systems were found necessary as far back as 1900. Some of the plaintiffs claim the pistol can fire without the trigger even being touched. The latest of these suits was filed last week in US District Court in Massachusetts. Canadian Special Forces Command has not said what caused the gun to go off unexpectedly, but the company said a conclusion has been reached. Too Many Accidents A fellow kept his DA revolver in the desk. To put it simply, they are expensive cheaply made junk. I would trust the intelligence of a Gorilla in a zoo before any one in the Far Right. The moral of all of this is the reason Sig got the military contract was because they were selling guns at close to cost, they underbid Glock by a significant margin. When Villani was asked for his opinion of SIG Sauer, he said, I carry SIGs, I own SIGs, I just dont own a 320nor would I ever. When Scott asked Villani what he found when he took a P320 apart, he said, I thought Wow, they need to do their homework, they need to fix this gun.. I wish nothing bad on anyone carrying regardless of brand. This highly trained Fibbie was doing flips while dancing (breakdancing? At least the Lion roars when he is hungry, the C.E.O smiles at you and when you turn your back he puts a knife right into it. Would you? Profits over reliability and you end up with junk. You should always use a real holster, or carry it condition 3 or 4 if its off-body. Slowly people are realizing they arent the only ones having issues. I wouldnt be surprised if she did it intentionally, she clearly suffers from a serious case of media whoring. My dad owned one and that is exactly what happened one time when he was using it. The use of a modified [SIG] P226 holster created an unsafe condition by allowing a foreign object to enter the holster, causing the unintended discharge.. It upgraded its P320 pistols in October 2018, before the middle school incident, spokeswoman Amanda. The networks report didnt mention lawsuits filed by LEOs (or anyone else) against other gun makers claiming similar alleged design defects. The trigger bar has to push up on it, for it to release. Big public relations disaster and Sig tries a second time to get the piece of shit to work and not go off when dropped. Hilton's $15 million lawsuit said, "there have been 54 reported uncommanded discharges of the P320," meaning the gun went off by itself, over the last five years in 22 states and Washington, D.C. Sig Sauer did not respond to ABC News' request for comment. The HK VP70 was made in 1970 when Gaston Glock was making curtain rods. Golly didnt Sig catch he!! In the former case, you would need upward movement coming to a sudden stop to bump up the drop safety at the same time you imparted rearward momentum to the gun to try and move the striker. It nicely describes what has to happen in a striker-fired P320 for an un-commanded discharge to happen as the plaintiffs have claimed. You couldnt ask questions. In my opinion, the only reason SIG would have done that is if they knew there was a safety problem with the original gun, otherwise they would not have done it., Scott says Harrison reviewed the claims in Officer Hiltons lawsuit and said, its unclear to (Harrison) what could now be causing misfires in the upgraded guns., Scott then asked Harrison if he believes the P320 should be removed from the marketplace. The new Tauruses have a good rep, far better then the P320 or P365. He would have been booted after the first time, but being a cop comes with some special privileges. The current allegations, then, are different, claiming that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. The problem was strikers. Second, your claim that the military is dumping because theyre problematic? Heres the version of the report that ran later that night, during ABCs Nightline program . To make the striker leg pull off of the sear, you would have to impart a lot of rearward momentum and stop it suddenly. Capitol Police Officers Explanation for Shooting and Killing Ashli Babbitt Is Riddled With Problems, The City of Wichita Raked In Almost $200,000 Selling Seized Guns in the Last Five Years, State Judge Issues Order Blocking Enforcement of Illinois Firearms Ban Act Statewide, Federal Judge Grants Injunction Blocking Enforcement of ATFs Frame or Receiver Rule, Illinois Rep. Bob Morgan: Anything Stamped M&P is a Weapon of War, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLM, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dea-agent-lee-paige-still-wont-go-away/, https://sofrep.com/news/dod-evaluation-says-armys-new-sig-sauer-p320-service-pistol-riddled-issues/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0LUbLu6TqA, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsu6WsSQ2_g, https://millsentertainment.smugmug.com/William-Shatner-The-Wrath-of-Khan. The main difference is that the M&P never had the problem the p320 did with trigger mass. After all, there are limits on complying with Rule 2 and even Rule 3, because a gun muzzle is ALWAYS covering something, somewhere, and ALWAYS knowing what lies beyondperhaps FAR beyonda possible target is an impossibility. Sounds like these officers and others are attempting to cover their posteriors. The cheap seats were $100-$200 and you got to watch Wrath of Khan with Shatner. Glock is being sued too, because once loaded and a round is chambered, it also has a much lighter trigger than a DA/SA. Maybe in South America a poor military did, but thatd be about it. They didnt have to, but did. The fact that Shatner was doing Wrath of Kahn meet and greets at 90 years old kind of soured me. You did get to sit and watch it with him, which leads to a serious question. In 2020, the agent, who is a former marine, was doing his routine training with the P320. If these same folks were around in the 80s and got their way, no one today would know what a Glock was. But the reality is that the military has been using the Sig P320 for almost 5 years and they show no signs of changing. With the redesign, you would have to implement a LOT of force to move the trigger backwards. . Being prosecuted and convicted of a third degree felony in Texas can lead to: Incarceration in a Texas state prison for a term of two years or up to 10 years. According to Section 22.05 of the Texas Penal Code, engaging in deadly conduct with a firearm is considered a felony of the third degree. The military has found that the pistol has a tendency to eject live rounds among other issues. But SIG Sauer said it has rectified the issue with upgrades, including one made for the U.S. military which court documents, filed as part of one of the lawsuits, show resulted in substantial changes to the weapons internal design. But it hardly indicts the P320 as a badly engineered weapon or that its worse than another brand. Circumstances that explained those un-commanded discharges.. Keep your finger off the trigger unless you are ready to shoot. A plastic gun that has a tendency to go off by itself. Fine. there is no better. Thats why the US Marines have Sigs. Hello perpetrators, Lee Paige is clearly the gift that keeps on giving though our buddy Hunter Biden is a close second! And then theres Gunter Walker, a civilian, who says his P320 fired on its ownwhen he placed the weapon down on his nightstand, shooting him through the palm of his left hand.. I would trust a hungry lion on the Serengeti plains of Africa more than I would a C.E.O. Yaaay! Sig Sauer P220 Super Match. He was told to shoot two rounds. He points to it in the video. The fact is that the plaintiffs will get paid regardless of who did what. The Milwaukee Police Department reports "multiple unexplained accidental discharges" of the Sig Sauer P320 9mm, a gun all officers are required to carry, making for more than 1,600 firearms. Mechanical engagement of sear to striker not deep enough (wanted lighter, smoother trigger pull without giving it any hand workmanship required with the deep notch much safer classic systems made since 1900) Result another big fail. If you want to find the lowest form of life on the planet interview any C.E.O. That focus drifts. I dont own a Glock or a SIG and am not a fanboy of either. Its pathetic how often these legal stunts work. Its just that with hundreds of millions of firearms in the hands of more than one-third of the countrys population including a lot of cops some number of negligent discharges will inevitably happen. For instance theres Lieutenant Thomas Ahern who was was performing a routine function (test) of his P320 when it fired at him without any force towards the trigger, resulting in the bullet impacting his left thigh..